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me know you like to get together and caring about our country, how it's doing and more important how we can make this country of ours even better. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. for all of you out there, merry christmas to everybody watching, and of course happy hanukkah as well, happy holy season to everyone. "politics nation" with al sharpton, my good colleague, i love to call him that with a british accent, my colleague, starts right now. tonight from world-famous rockefeller center? new york city, welcome to the "politics nation" first annual r revvie awards, a glittering array of stars is already gathering. no, not him. not her either, but crowds of fans are form iing without furtr
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ado, please welcome our host, the reverend al sharpton. good evening. welcome to the revvie awards. eye reverend al sharpton, the host of "politics nation" and your host for this evening's festivities. we have a great show tonight, as we give out our awards for the highlights and low lights of politics 2011. and to do it we have a great group of judges, alex wall northwesterly is here, and richard wolffe. michael steele is here, and maria teresa kumar. richard wolffe dusted off his tux to be here, and of course it wouldn't -- we wouldn't have had the reservies without a strong opinion or two from mike real steele. let's get right into it tonight. first up, the spotlight awards, for the best thing that hopped in alex, who is your pick?
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>> i think it's the c changes going from the midterm election. so a real broad conversation. and this year really feels like the turning point. >> so the turning point was the change? >> i think you could credit occupy as a major catalyst. >> so going from that talk of deficit to talking about income and inequality. >> first of all, i wear this every day, so i didn't have to dust off anything. >> internationally the arab spring. democracy takes hold, enormous story.
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domestic, right back to the start of the year. and the reaction to the speech. >> the best thing about politics for 2011 is it's over. it's over. >> i would feel that way if i was a republican. >> no, i feel that way just as a citizen, but it was the combination of the flow from 2010, getting picked up if you will, and what we saw in wisconsin was the catalyst that launched that kind of new spring here in america, where we had a conversation about jobs and workers, whether they were union workers or not. we don't want government to decide winners and losers.
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and i thought that was pretty telling for the year. >> maria? >> i think it's one of the civil rights issues. i think we're living in a historic time. >> and also gay marriage. we told a bold step. the american people decided that was something at the forefront for them. >> i would say probably the main thing that happened was the changing of the discussion from deficit to income inequality. i think the defeat of sb-5 in ohio, after the sweep the tea party and republican governors did, i think protests from top to bottom, including international was probably the spotlight of the year. okay. up next we have the school for scandal award, but a more shocking scandal of 2011.
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we had a few. alex? >> i mean, how does anthony weiner not run away with this by a long shot? the most 21st century fashion, to say on twitter. it was prolonged, such a blustery character. he went down in flames. a scandal that sort of cannibalized itself. it was terrible, we had visual evidence. i think it dominated the national conversation, truly the first cyberscandal, it really was of the moment in a way that only a twitter scandal can be. >> i think it's appropriate that revvies should be a golden goblet, and i think i would give it to one who knows how to use it, rupert murdoch. yes, i did start out in tabloid newspapers. they were the only people -- we all aspire to be murdoch papers. no voicemail, no cell phones.
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>> just pings, and woolie mammoths. >> quills, but that was a scandal -- that is a scandal, because it's still rolling, that takes in power, corruption at the highest level through law enforcement. the idea that anyone in the public eye is okay to spy on, whether the public eye is on a victim of murder or they're just famous, i think it was a moment when the otherwise, you know, quiet majority, the people who buy these things every day, and may find it voyeuristic and titillating, where they said, you know what? we actually have some values and standards, and it's about time it stopped. big scandal. >> michael? >> fast and furious for me was the scandal that i think will have some legs going into 2012, simply because it speaking to a couple things, one, what the government is willing to do without thinking, thinking it through. we see that on debt and deficit,
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but we also see the devastating impact it can have when a u.s. citizen is killed when the negligence where the government doesn't pay attention. two, as we learned from watergate, it's always the cover june that trips you up. when you have e-mails and documents that contradict the administration's official position, it opens it up to a great more scrutiny. i think you'll see that in 2012, but in '11 it was a shame the way this unfolded and certainly the loss of life involved, certainly a scandal and black eye for the government and most importantly for the american people. >> i would agree with richard, but for a slightly different reason. the phone-hacking scandal brings us to the brink of murdoch failing, but he's at the crux of one of the biggest conservative movements in the world. the fact that he's actually on the verge of falling, but betraying the conservative movement he established and has held so highly, i think that's the biggest scandal of the year.
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because it's trickled not only in england, but also in australia. you have the trickle effects here in the united states as well. so it will be curious to see how that dr. >> i hear what you're say about fast and fewer injure michael, but i think it's inconclusive of who did what. clearly something was done. though i agree with alex that nothing was auts dramatic as we weiner-gate, but he never had sex -- >> that's the 21st century part of it. >> it made it cyber. i have to go with the hacking scandal. i think maria was right. i think because of the impact that murdoch has on the public mind and public opinion around the world, and for them to be engaged in that and really to catch them like that, i think
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that's the scandal of the year. next revvie, best performance in a lead role. this reservies goes to the person or group that really drove the agenda in 2011 alex? >> one is boring and predictable, obviously the "time" magazine cover of the year, nailed it, the protester. whether it's the arab spring or occupy wall street, drove the national dialogue, but a singular person? let's give props to hillary clinton who has managed to deal with seismic changes with aplomb, grace, largely under the radar, and has been sort of -- it's a thankless job beings being secretary of state, an exhausting job. she has the trust of the nation, she commands her self-on the international stage and i think deserves some revvie love for the work that she's done in 2011. >> she to the she deserved some
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in 2008. richard? >> that was good. >> ache within. >> that was good, maybe better than mine. i cannot give it to a politician this year. my lead goes to the rock star who has led in policy, that's bono. for saying we can do this and bringing people together. bono, he hasn't obviously finished that job, but put that down as a goal, a marker, and to push for it, i think that deserves it. until they get to the point where we can say there's an end. >> i think you're biased toward the british isles. >> he's irish. >> we can link. >> i think, for good or bad, i think in terms of the political pulse of the country and how things have moved starting in january right through this week, it would be the house
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republicans who came in at the end -- >> no -- >> it's my three minutes of the show. >> go ahead. >> this is the lead performance that had an impact, so i'm saying -- >> and drove the country. >> drove the country. >> so even if it was driving it over the cliff. >> no, you guys did that last year. we got those flats fixed, but we're working on new flats. for good or bad, and we can have the political discussion about what's right or wrong in the policy, but in terms of the congress coming in -- on the heels of 2010, and beginning to set a different discussion goes back to the first question, you know, what we talked about, how people reacted and responded, how public became engaged in the process because of what they did or did not do. i think it's a very, very powerful story. it takes a lead role to play to get that kind of movement for good or bad. >> driving that far down, that is a lead role. >> i'll talk about that later, but again, just in terms of
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moving -- >> your three minutes are up. >> talking about moving, i think it's the silent actor, the arizona voter. the arizona voter went back and basically recalled for the first time in 30 years the architect of the anti-immigration bill that basically spread through the country. because of that russell pierce is no longer in office, but i think it will be a precursor of the voters much more engaged saying we don't want you to split our communities, we don't want racial profiling, and it's a precursor to the 2012 elections. >> i think you made valid points. >> no reservies? >> i think that. >> michael, the republicans
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drove -- i think it was more in '10 than '11. i think they took a pretty bad beating this year. i agree with you about the arizona voters. i think also the wisconsin elected officials that went out of state and then came back and recalled two people, but i would have to agree with alex, the protester. i think that the whole world had to deal with a -- this is the first time we've seen governments change that we never thought since we were born that would change, so from the arab spring to the changing the discussion here, to the protester, and as a veteran protester myself, it was a great year. we have more to come. stick around. we'll be right back. the revvies will return with barack obama, elizabeth warren and best political performance of the year, but earlier today, for best musical performance,
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welcome back to the first annual revvies award. earlier we awarded best unintentional comedic performance. it went to texas governor rick perry. >> commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. oops. >> live free or die, victory or death. bring it. >> so richly deserved.
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now here's the host of tonight's ceremony, the reverend al sharpton. welcome back. welcome back. we are here with our revvie awards, and judges. let's go to limelight award for political. the political moment of 2011. what was the political moment, alex? >> the political moment, we keep talking about occupy wall street, but if we say that's how the biggest moment of the year, the turning point was when those protesters first sat down in zuccotti park. >> i would have to say things even bigger, ending the war in iraq, the president's speech to the troops coming home, a convulsive period coming to an end. >> michael? >> i thought the president's somewhat pathetic budget speech at george washington university in april this year. >> mine would be mitt romney's revival of the roaring '20 recent when he said corporations are people too. i think that's what occupy wall
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street inspired, people said not on my watch. >> i think it would be osama bin laden killed. let's go to surprise twist award. >> the rice and i will say presumed fall of newt gingrich. who thought this summer the revolving $500,000 tiffany's account, the greek isles tour, that this guy would xwk the front-runner of the year. who knew? >> that the governor of texas would be so awful as a campaigner. i mean, you know, this man has won election and rewon election. he's an accomplished politician. he was so unready for the national stage. rick perry, you get a revvie. >> for me it was herman cain. coming in with very little political experience, to capture the imagination of the base, and to move folks the way he did i
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thought was a big surprise. >> i agree with alex. it was newt gingrich. everybody thought thinks career was not over during the continue any's scandal, but about 15 years ago. not only was i think it's really amazing. >> i would have to go this time with you, michael. i think herman cain's rise was more likely than newt gingrich. but i would have to go with herman cain as the big surprise of the year, other than al sharpton hosting politics nation. that took place right here on politics nation, but first
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the revvie for outstanding achievement in a smackdown. the winner is senate candidate elizabeth warren for "you want to mess with me" defense. >> there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. nobody. i moved your goods to markets on the road the rest of us paid for. you hired workers the rest of us paid to education. the built a factory and it turned into a great idea, god bless. keep a big hunk of it, but part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward to the next who the comes along. the awards will be right back.
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welcome back to the first annual revvie awards from rockefeller center in new york city. here's the host of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. >> thank you. here at "politics nation" we think it's fine to disagree, but not to be disagreeable. our next award is for outstanding achievement in a political donny brook. one of my favorites. watch this. >> how does stopping people with souls to the polls, let by their
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congaze, how does it do that? >> we have not cut early voting by one hour. >> no, you changed the dates. >> i had people from both sides of the isle. >> the president should just sidestep the leadership, meet with the freshmen congressmen, have you all had a coupe that i didn't hear about? i know i've been busy the last half hour. >> dumb out in my district. >> you can't answer a question with a question right now. >> i'll come to your just answer my question. >> in my district, congressman. >> if an agreement is not reached. >> making a guy with a corporate jet pay his taxes is paying for it, but threatening a grandmother with social security, it's fine. it's just shared sacrifice, i guess. no, let's deal with your hard facts here. $200,000 paid on racial profiling, all of this money, sheriff joe, can't you admit
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that there's profiling going on? >> oh, al, you're ruining my christmas, man. >> that last one hurt. plus the award for political performer of the year. you're watching the first annual revvies awards only on msnbc. g. my insides? pure platinum. [ female announcer ] a healthy outside starts inside. new iams simple & natural has chicken as its number one ingredient and zero fillers. it works inside for health you can see on the outside. [ dog ] i can't be a rockstar on the outside if i'm not one on the inside. [ female announcer ] new iams naturals. you'll like what's in them and love what's not. [ dog ] i am an iams dog. [ girls ] he's so cute! [ dog ] groupies!
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the revvies went for president obama for his comedic destruct at the correspondents dinner. >> no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donnell. you, mr. trump, recognize that
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the real problem was a lack of leadership. so ultimately you didn't blame li'l john or meatloaf, you fired gary busey. >> here again is your host, the reverend al sharpton. >> that's i'd like to welcome back our esteemed panel of judges. great to have all of you with us for these awards. it is the season of giving. so let's get right back to giving out revvie awards. the next award is the ticktock award, because the winner is the one who had their 15 minutes of attention, and it's over. ticktock award. >> without question, sarah palin. it happened early in the year right after gabby giffords was shot. she gave a people i think it
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was -- that she does not belong on the national stage. >> apart from me in a tuxedo, i think it's going -- can you get two revvies in the inaugural year? herman cain will never be the nominee, will never be president, and honestly he'll never be secretary of defense, even if he wants it. >> but he can sing. >> he can sing. >> michael? >> donald trump. i guess one can only hope. his 15 minutes have been going for 40 years. i think it's interesting that donald started out right up there, and then it dissipated, came back and now gone again. >> it follows the ratings. >> maria? >> my vote is sarah palin, once again she realized her star is fading fast. perhaps she's going to go ahead and run for president.
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i think it's a little too late for her. >> i would agree with sarah palin. i think trump definitely made a splash, but i don't think he's going anywhere. i think sarah palin, it's almost bye-bye. >> pull wait for that broken -- jest, my friend. be careful. >> be careful obi-wan. how about the attention must be paid stories, those stories that didn't get their 15 minutes that they deserved. what stories should have gotten more attention and didn't, in your judgment? >> without question, you and i talk about this, the numbers on poverty, that we got. 1 in 2 americans is living at or near poverty, the fact that a bad electric bill or car accident can put half this country is under is hugely
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underreported and underdiscussed. >> richard? >> i'm going to go with the rolling leadership crisis in the gop. nobody's in control. we talk about, sorry, former chairman, but the idea of them leading the way here. the fact that nobody can control it, the fact that the leadership within the house is all warring against each other and at the end of the year, we saw the leaders following, and the caucus running everything, who knows who is leading this ship. >> michael steele? >> for me it's poverty in america, the fact for the last 40-plus year, both parties have systematically and systemically ignored most especially those who are severely poor, on the education of our kids.
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those neighborhoods need to be something front and center if the country wants to be prosperous again. >> ma rearticle? >> i think this is something that touches close to the work you've been doing through the block the vote. it's the 18 million foreclosure folks that have lost their homes. >> they lost their jobs and homes and now they have lost their voice because of the voter i.d. laws. that's something we need to explore and have bigger conversations. >> i absolutely think the voter i.d. laws is certainly near the top of my list, and poverty, even though i love how michael makes it a bipartisan fault -- this is the only time we get bipartisan with the -- i don't know how the democrats helped -- >> from the great society. >> the great society helped put me through youth corps, manpower training, and summer jobs. >> and left a lot of young man on the streets as well.
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i can only speak to what i grew up. >> but the great society employed a lot of people. i have not seen the same -- we don't have to get partisan -- yes, we do. but i would say by far it's the poverty issue. i agree with you and alex, more alex's tone their yours, that the revvie goes to poverty. >> it's the same tone. both parties under the last 40 years have had their hand on the lever and have done nothing, reverend. your 15 minutes is up, michael. thanks again to our judges. we'll be right back with more after this. the revvies will return with the political performers of the year and the blueberry pie lifetime achievement award. but first a special revvies salute for barney frank. the barney frank award for, well, just being barney frank.
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welcome back to the first annual revvie awards. here's your host and the host of "politics nation" the reverend al sharpton. >> thank you. our next award honors jobs, jeers and jokes. for outstanding achievement in one-liners as voted on by the "politics nation" staff. check this out. if you've got to get mickey mouse to make your case, when you have only 31 cases, then mr. baxley, you're trying to take all of you to disney world on a ride. they are the mr. softy crowd and mr. softy tastes good, but it wasn't hard, it had no content, and it always got me messed up. you're the one that said that we must stop and put uncle sam on a diet, yet you want to
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give a hedge fund guys a chocolate sunday with bananas, whipped korean and cherries on top. >> a fish wouldn't get caught if he kept his mouth shot, and it's not about obama, it's about your mama. >> i'm thinking of painting blueberries on the board of some republicans. >> leave the blueberry pie alone. somebody get the washing machine ready. we're about to have a mess. >> blueberry pie, chocolate sundaes, that award is a crowd pleaser. that leads me to the alfred c. sharpton blueberry pie lifetime achievement award. at 2011 draws to a close, we look around and ask ourselves who has the most blueberry pie on his face? with all the blueberry pie that was thrown around this year, it was a tough decision, but there
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was only one man who could walk away. >> as i look back on iraq, i think it was the right thing to do. >> a lot of the work we did with our special operations forces in that period of time during the bush administration laid the groundwork ultimately for the capture and killing of osama bin laden. >> why was it okay for us to use what most people was say was torture against terror suspects? >> it's important for us not to get caught up in the notion that you can only have popular methods of interrogation if you want an effect i have counter-terrorism program. the fact is it worked. >> gentlemen, former vice president dick cheney for your historical fiction, for your defense the torture and the unjustified war you still defend, you walk away with the alfred c. sharpton blueberry pie lifetime achievement award. we'll be right back. the revvies will be right back with awards for best political performer of the year
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welcome back to the revvies. here once again is the host of "politics nation" the reverend al sharpton. >> thank you, and welcome back for our final revvie awards of the evening. it's time for the revvie for the worst political performance of the year. alex, who gets your thumbs down for 2011? who really blew it. >> it was a subtle employment, but tour deforce, eric cantor. the man who kept the -- ensured the republican caucus was split, he went toe to toe behind john boehner and ensured no grand bargain could happen. i don't think he gets enough credit for his job of really fracturing congress, and i think
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it was the worst political performance of the year. >> when you say worst political, are you saying in terms of good or bad politics or in terms of strategic. sometimes bad politics can be strategically good. >> i'm talking about in terms of american valuing, moving the country forward. i think eric contactor has been -- it was incredibly effective. >> well, rivie, can i call you that now? i could by serious and say -- >> we don't know each other that well. [ laughter ] >> i guess not then. >> there might not be a second for you. >> i could by serious and say republicans deciding that going after the president was more important than after creating job creation measures, but i'll try one more time for rick perry, not only could he not remember three things, but not only couldn't remember 9 voting age. that's got to be the worse. >> the voting age is kind of
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bad. michael? >> this one is tough for me, but i settled on harry reid. i think when you look at the president's agenda, and the president at this time saying give me a year of extension, democrats in the house at least saying give me a year extension on the unemployment and harry works out a deal in which that's not what's delivered -- >> how do you blame harry. >> because he runs the senate. >> most of the time -- >> he runs the senate, and the president made very clear what he wanted, and he did not deliver it. >> he did deliver the senate. >> he did not deliver a one-year extension. >> he ran the senate, got the senate vote on the extension on the payroll tax cut, and it was john "cry baby" boehner that -- >> harry reid -- those are fighting words. >> brother ain't showing any moves for the president. >> he delivered the senate. >> the president made clear what
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he wanted and he did not deliver it. what did the president ask for? >> somebody in a chamber -- >> what did the president asked? we delivered a one-year extension. >> and john boehner who said it was a good deal, couldn't control his tea party caucus and all of a sudden it's harry reid fault? >> you can't handle the true. the man is the weakest link. >> i can't believe you're saying it's not the republicans. john boehner was out of in front of this, we got it, signed it -- >> we spent the whole show talking about the republicans. at the end i'm giving you my guy who i thought was the worst political performance of the year, harry reid didn't deliver. deal with it. deal with it. >> we'll deal with it. >> and my nod goes to the tea party. they came in full force in 2010, flexing their muscles, and you this del was obstructionist, and
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because of the dysfunction they helped create, s&p downgraded or aaa realtying. they said it was because washington is dysfunctional, and that reverberated across the world. when you look going into 2012, they're at a loss now of losing their seats. >> but that wasn't tea party, but we'll save that for later. >> it absolutely was. >> i say i hear all of you, but i think the worst performance was the post-steele republican party. >> i throw you one there, michael. >> they can't even come up with a candidate. the most embarrassing, the most torturous, the most disappointing, if i were a republican, season where you are now days away from iowa with no clear front-runner or message, and they're fighting each other like crabs in the barrel. i mean, there's not a reality show on tv with more dysharmony,
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more back-biting, more scratching, more hair-pulling than the republican party of the day. if i was teaching political science, they would be the chapter on what not to do. they are by far getting the revvie -- >> oh, my god. >> i forced michael into praying. for the best reply wall performance? >> this is tough, but i'm going to give it to a guy named barack hussein obama. he started out weak, he was forced to eat a bit of humble pie, but ending the year incredibly strong. i daresay he has his swagger back, has a winning message going into 2012, and he's come a long way, baby. >> ditto. he was left for dead in the middle of the year. he's come back strong. this is a repeated pattern. he's been written off so many times before as a candidate, a president. this year you have the highs with things like ordering the
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hit on bin laden, and the absolute lows of 9 debt ceiling crisis, to come out in one piece is a real mark of his tenacity and competitiveness. anyone thinks he's easy to defeat will be in for a billing surprise next year. >> alex, why don't i think mial will pick barack obama. >> should we take bets? >> this is just too easy to go -- >> harry reid. >> no, no, my choice actually was hillary clinton because three simple reasons. one, she got out of town and stayed out of town. two, she avoided taking a picture with the president, and three she harkened back to her husband's economic success and wrapped herself around that, not this administration. what about her own work? >> excuse me. this is my moment. i thought that that took a great deal of political chutzpa and savvy to finness that
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relationship in such a way that she distanced herself appropriately. hats off, hillary. you go, girl. >> all those accomplishments have nothing to do with the woman itself. >> she wasn't taking any pictures, she wasn't talking about the economy, she was talking about something else. >> that's all in the context of men. >> she made a powerful point when it game to gay rights worldwide. i think that was one of her largest accomplishments. >> i think hillary was at every major summit, she was at the state of union addresses. she may not be in a lot of pictures, because secretary of state -- i hate to start a rumor to the republicans -- is supposed to be a felon partisan position. of course, you wouldn't know that -- >> i understand what it says on paper, reverend, i get that. >> like the constitution, the republicans what it says on paper. that's about it. >> uh-huh. no not just -- >> my revvie nod would go to
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stephen colbert, he broke down big finance by establishing a super pac, saying we need to get money out of government, this is how easy it is and how you as americans, because we don't understand campaign finance reform, this is how you're getting your votes stolen. >> i like stephen colbert, but i go with richard and alex, i think by far -- >> we're doing well -- >> that obama had the performance. i think the president absolutely, he came on like a real champion. i used to be a boxer, as you were. >> i was too, um-hmm. >> good champions win fights. great champions can get up and win even when they've been rattled. he showed he can not only throw a punch, but take a punch and keep fighting. i think that's the story of 2011
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in terms of performances. michael, you already had your turn -- >> i didn't say anything. finally, what happens next award? our panelists' prediction of what comes in the new year. what will happen in 2012, and we're going to save this tape, so be real careful. alex, your 2012 prediction? >> wow, you're going to save the tape? that makes me want to change it, but i'm going on a limb for you, rev. i think the democrats may take the house back, which is a hedge prediction. i think they may lose the senate, and i think obama will be reelected. >> richard? >> there is this tinge called the election, and the economy comes back quicker than they realize. the pace of it quickens. people will look back and say that actually the election of 2012 was decided in 2011. the extremism of the republicans, what we've seen with the tea party running the
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house republicans into the ground, and this president coming back. 2012 was the end of 2011, and yes he comes back with, i'm going to say a three-point win. >> michael? >> i think a couple things. one, north carolina, virginia, pennsylvania, indiana, ohio, and florida fall back into the gop column next year. and with that, so does the white house. >> who will the president be? >> ron paul. >> we're going to work that out over the next six or so months, but i really believe that that momentum is there. that opportunity is there. give me the states against. >> north carolina, virginia, pennsylvania, indiana, ohio, and florida. >> go back to republican. >> go back gop. with that goes the white house coming back. >> maria? >> i'm going to disagree with him whoa heartedly, all those states that you mentioned have a
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huge influx of latino voters because of re12krik9ing. you see this election will be very personal and very much about issues, and that's not a surprise of why president obama is actually looking at a westward win, because he's looking at arizona, texas, also nevada as possibilities. north carolina and florida is also on that list. >> well, we have to go. i think that one of the reasons that mr. steele is predicted that, that happens to be some of the states we're have got voto voter i.d. fights, so maybe that's not a prediction but a strategy. i think 9 president will win, it will be close, which is why everyone needs to vote. more importantly, i hope rich v is right, i hope we can put some better holiday cheer in your house when the revvie awards come back next year. that's all the we have time for tonight. the orchestra is about to play me off. thank you for our excellent